Ashoka: Mike, what kinds of infrastructure are we talking about here?

Mike Shim: We’re talking about the infrastructure that helps farmers get their products to market. That can mean solar-powered boats that can harvest 250,000 pounds instead of the 30-foot boats most are using now. It means processing facilities that get farmers’ products to market in the form of kelp noodles, jerky, animal feed and the many other uses for kelp. It means packaging and distribution infrastructure that is tailored to water-based agriculture. And of course, it means helping grow the market and demand for these products.

Bren: We need a Manhattan Project for ocean greens. We can bring together the best minds who want to do agriculture in the right way – that’s good for the planet, healthy for people and it creates good jobs, meaning that young farmers can actually afford the leases to farm the ocean. And that revitalizes communities and positions the same people who have been left behind in the industrial, dirty economy as a restorative force for the planet. There are so many possibilities here and people are instinctively drawn to what we’re doing.

Ashoka: And you’re saying they should be drawn to it because there’s also a real business opportunity here?

Mike: Yes. This is one of the clearest ways to leverage the tool of capitalism in a way that can produce significant positive social returns. Sea greens are already a $7-10 billion industry globally. So we’re not starting from scratch, and yet we’re just scratching the surface. There are over 10,000 edible plants in the ocean. Bren has created the spark with GreenWave, and now we have an opportunity to really build a blue-green economy with profits that are attractive to pure investors and an array of social benefits that are as broad and deep as any you’ll find. We’re incredibly excited to take some bold steps in this direction with a new for-profit venture on the horizon. Check back with us and GreenWave for more details soon.